Nicaraguan cigars

Berger & Argenti Entubar Robusto

Years ago Albert Argenti befriended me on Facebook, we chatted a bit about soccer as he was a former semi professional player who played with Dutch players in the old MLS and when I went to Miami in 2010 I dropped by his office in Cuban Crafters. There he showed me one of the Berger & Argenti cigars, the Entubar. This cigar is unique due to the entubar rolling where a piece of ligero is rolled up and the rest of the cigar is rolled around it. The uniqueness is that the piece of ligero sticks out, different than in a shaggy foot, just look at the pictures.


The cigar is made with Nicaraguan filler, a Nicaraguan binder and a wrapper from Ecuador and I guess they were made at the factory owned by Don Kiki Berger since he was a partner in their business. Now I won’t let myself sound like a broken record so I’m not going to explain how the Argenti brothers screwed my previous employer and I’m only going to focus on the cigar that was discontinued when Berger & Argenti went belly up but was reintroduced at the last IPCPR by Karen Berger, I have no idea if the Argenti brothers are involved in that company, but for Karen’s sake I hope not.


The cigar looks great, due to the unique foot and the way the ring emphasizes that. The foot ring is a bright yellow and black with the text “advisory, thoroughly toast entire cigar foot before smoking” and that might be an advise a lot of first time Entubar smokers helped light the cigar. The wrapper is milk chocolate brown, smooth yet looks a bit dry. The ring is big, brown with small ‘berger & argent’ written continuously in white letters and a golden seal with their name. The cigar has a strong aroma of hay and barnyard. I can’t find anything wrong with the construction.


I decided to break out the punch for this cigar. The draw is a little close. I taste raisin and cedar. I toasted the entire foot as described on the foot ring with my soft flame. I taste a mild musty coffee, the mustiness comes from the shade wrapper. I also taste cinnamon sugar too, very mild. The coffee disappears and I taste mild musty cedar with the cinnamon sugar. The wrapper cracks, as happened with a lot of Berger & Argenti cigars I smoked, actually almost all. After half an inch the sweetness is gone, I taste a muted, mild musty and slightly harsh cedar. After an inch I taste pepper too. The flavor doesn’t change much, just gets a little stronger. Then the flavor changes are over.


The draw is a little tight. The smoke is medium thick and medium in volume. The ash is pretty, I love the fact that is stays in the original shape, with the little tube. The burn is good. This is a mild to medium bodied and flavored cigar. The smoke time is an hour and ten minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? Nope, I would buy the quad Maduro though.

Score: 83

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La Casita Criolla HCB

Years ago, I hadn’t even start to work for my later (and now previous) employer who’s one of the major cigar importers & distributers in The Netherlands, Pete Johnson released both the La Casita Criollo and the Fausto and I got a call from my later employer who told me the cigars showed up on the international price list, he didn’t know what they were, he gave me prices and asked weather he should order them or not. I knew about the cigars, I smoked the Tatuaje T110 where the Fausto is based upon, and read about the La Casita Criolla too and thought it was an interesting concept, the prices were fine so I advised him to order both lines. And he did. Today is also Pete’s birthday, so happy birthday my friend.


The La Casita Criolla is made with a 100% American Connecticut broadleaf, the cigar is an American puro. Now Connecticut broadleaf is known as a wrapper or sometimes a binder but it being used as a filler isn’t something known to the general public, it happens as not all Connecticut broadleaf is dark enough or of the quality needed to be a wrapper. And that’s the kind of leaf Pete Johnson uses for filler in this La Casita Criolla, the lighter colored, the esthetically lesser quality leaf but still flavorful. The only thing I don’t like about it is the naming of the vitolas, why not just go with corona, robusto, torpedo, churchill but with a HCB, HCBC, HFBF, HCR which to me, and not just me alone, very confusing and I think it hurts the sales. I am not a 100% sure but I think the La Casita Criolla name comes from an old Cuban brand.


I grabbed the HCB out of my humidor, which is a 5 1/8×42 corona sized cigar. The cigars are naked in the box, no cellophane to protect the wrapper during transport. The wrapper is dark, juicy and oily with here and there a glittering of minerals, the veins make it look rustic and with the dark color combined it looks a bit intimidating. The ring is very simple, just like the packaging, brown with a white square and red letters La Casita Criolla, then a red square with white letters Tatuaje Cigars Esteli and the Pete Hassel Johnson logo and a drawing of a small house, the native cottage that the name refers too. The construction feels great and the cap is beautifully glued onto its place. The aroma isn’t very strong, just tobacco, barnyard and a little chocolate.


I cut the cigar, xikar butterfly style, and that creates a perfect cold draw with a spicy and peppery touch. I taste a full and nice sweetened coffee. After half an inch the cigar turns to chocolate, coffee and pepper. The chocolate is getting stronger after a third with wood and a little bit of pepper. The pepper fades away a little, I taste caramel with oak, a little chocolate and some spices.


The draw is perfect and the white ash is dense and firm. The luscious smoke is white and full. The burn is close to perfect as well. The evolution isn’t spectacular but the flavors are, right up my alley. The cigar is medium bodied and full flavored. The smoke time is an hour and ten minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? If I had to pick 10 cigars that I could smoke the rest of my life, this cigar would make the cut.

Score: 95
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Manuel Schirra Torpedo

Now this cigar was a mystery to me, and at the time of writing still is a mystery although I managed to find some information on this brand. I had this cigar in my humidor for a few years and every time I saw it I was intrigued, not by the looks or the ring, although it stands out, but by the fact that I didn’t know anything about the cigar, never even heard of the brand so today it was time to fire google up and see what I could find.


One a message board I learned that this cigar is a house blend for a shop in Las Vegas called Cigarbox, owned by Freyboy Tobacco. Now I have been to Las Vegas but I haven’t been to that specific shop, I only stopped at Casa Fuente and the now not longer existing Pheasant Cigars, so this cigar must have been a gift. It is rumored to be a Nicaraguan pro but the blend and the factory are unknown to me.


The cigar looks good, a nice medium brown wrapper with a reddish glow to it, no real veins. The construction feels good too and the tip is sharp. The ring, as I said in the intro, is unique. It shows the face of a man, and says Havana Cuba but on the side of the ring it says Nicaragua, and since it’s a house blend for an American shop it’s safe to say that this is not a Cuban cigar. Even though the ring is clearly professionally printed the design looks like its home made and a little discolored by time and somehow I really like this ring because it makes me curious, very curious. The aroma is very mild and I smell hay and straw.


I cut the cigar, the cold draw is good. I taste a little mint, some sultana and dry tobacco. I lit the cigar with my old Ronson and I taste coffee, full and strong. After half an inch I also taste spices and cedar. After an inch I taste toast with pepper and spices. Halfway the cigar is dry, I taste cedar, toast, cinnamon, pepper and a little lime and mint. The last third starts work more honey sweetness. The cinnamon gets stronger and the only flavor

that I taste, I like it a lot.

The draw is fine. The salt and pepper colored ash is firm. The smoke is medium to full in thickness and volume. The burn is good, not perfect as it’s a little crooked. This is a medium bodied medium full flavored cigar with a nice evolution. The smoke time is two hours.

Would I buy this cigar again? Depending on the price, but if I ever happen to be in Vegas I will look up the lounge.

Score: 90
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Nestor Miranda Special Selection Danno 2012

In 1989 Miami Cigar & Co was founded by a few people including Daniel Miranda and his father Nestor Miranda.  They are distributers of several brands, including La Aurora, and also own some brands like Tatiana and the Nestor Miranda cigar brands. Unfortunately in 2005 Daniel got diagnosed with brain cancer and in 2008 he passed away. So in 2009 Miami Cigar & Co released a memorial cigar, in both rosado and oscuro, a limited edition not only to commemorate Daniel but also to celebrate their 20 years in business.


In 2010 another double edition of the Danno was released but in 2011 there was no release. In 2012 the Danno returned as a 7×56 Double Corona made at the My Father Factory in Esteli. The blend consists of Dominican, Honduran and Nicaraguan filler, a Nicaraguan binder and a Mexican San Andres wrapper. In total 30.000 cigars were released with a MRSP of 10 dollar. As far as I know only one more Danno was released, in 2015, but in a maduro, habano and Connecticut version so that can count as three.


The wrapper is beautiful, dark, almost black with some thin, flattened veins, a nice shine, some sparkles from the minerals. The construction feels good and I just love pig tails. The rings are simple yet of high quality and they match. The foto ring is black with a quite dark, almost copper like, gold edge and a Danno 2012 instricption while th normal band is black & gray, with the same golden edge, a small font in red saying Nestor Miranda Collection and in bigger, white, letters Special Selection. The cigar has a mild, almost fresh, smell.


I cut the cigar with my Xikar butterfly cutter. The cold draw is good, a little spicy and peppery. After lighting with a single jet I taste a nice, sweet, coffee.  After an inch I taste a beautiful mix of pepper, sugar and a nice cinnamon roll. Slowly the cigar becomes more spicy, even though the sweetness and the cinnamon still stick around but now with more spices and some green herbs. I also taste a mild acidity to keep everything balanced. The final third starts with wood, a hint of vanilla, some herbal freshness but it’s not minty, and some pepper. Near the end I taste more vanilla and some powdered sugar.


The draw is great. The burn needed correction a few times. The light gray ash is beautifully layered. The smoke is thick enough and enough in volume. The balance is great just like the subtle evolution. This cigar is medium to medium full bodied and equally flavored. The smoke time is an hour and forty five minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? I wish, this cigar is a great tribute.

Score: 92
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MUWAT KFC Fat Molly

Early 2014 I flew to Nicaragua to visit some factories and to get to know the country a little. I went to visit Joya de Nicaragua, My Father, Oliva and we visited Drew Estate too. It was a memorable trip, we went to Condega with Gilberto Oliva, partied at the hotel with Jose Ortega (My Father Cigars) and had a great time in Esteli. During our visit to Drew Estate Jonathan asked me if I had tried the then quite new Kentucky Fire Cured and I said no, since they weren’t available outside the USA and I didn’t have time to visit a cigar shop during my transfer to Nicaragua.


Jonathan said to me “don’t give your opinion after one cigar, smoke a few before you say you like it or not, because it is something special, something different” and he handed me a hand full of the 5×56 cigars, that are actually made for Drew Estate at the Joya de Nicaragua factory. I smoked a few while in Nicaragua and smoked another one at the sun deck of my hotel in Fort Lauderdale a week later and made up my mind, this is not my cigar. A year later JD gave me a Pappy van Winkle cigar at Intertabac, and said “light it in front of me, I want to see your reaction” and the moment I lit the cigar I yelled “you MF, this has that fire cured leaf in it”. Why are you still reviewing this cigar you might ask? Well, it was a gift, it’s a few years later now and maybe my preferences have changed, I might find it enjoyable now. I used to hate Connecticut Shade, now I like some, maybe my palate tolerates fire cured tobacco now too.


The wrapper is dark, thick, leathery with some tooth and a few veins that fit with the dark and mean theme. The construction feels good with a nice cap, that has a darker smear on the wrapper. The ring is simple yet effective, brown paper, simple and clear black lettering which, again, fit the theme. And then the aroma, ultra strong the moment you release it from its wrapper. Hickory, barbecue, meat, smoke, fire, tar, those kinds of aroma come from the cigar and that makes the looks of the cigar, the simplicity of the ring and the aroma all fit together. Big points for that.


I cut the cigar with a xikar cutter. The cold draw is great and I taste barbecue, smoked ribs with sweet and spicy barbecue sauce. After lighting I taste barbecue, like the cigar has been dipped in a barbecue spice rub. After half an inch I taste sweet boiled peanuts with some barbecue spices. Halfway I taste wood, pepper and the typical smoke flavor of fire cured tobacco. The pepper grows in the final third, the wood and barbecue flavors are still going strong too. Near the end I taste peanuts again with a hefty dose of pepper.


The draw is just great and the smoke is typical Drew Estate, thick, white and a smokescreen big enough to hide a house from satellites. The white ash doesn’t hold very well. The burn is okay but needed one touch up halfway. The cigar is medium bodied and full flavored. The smoke time is an hour and twenty minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? I might for after a barbecue, I guess my preferences have changed.

Score: 91
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Reinado Habanito

Every year you see a few boutique blends pop up, gain a lot of publicity and popularity in the social media bit most of the times those brands fade away into oblivion too. I guess your cigars have to be extremely well to keep the cigar aficionados coming back to your cigars and your online presence has to be on top of everything to keep customers loyal and tied to your brand. A few brands know how to do that and grow, but most fade away after a short while and that’s exactly the case with this Reinado brand that was the hottest new kid on the block for a few months and is now the missing kid on the back of a milk carton.


The Reinado line is or was a Nicaraguan puro and the tobacco underwent a unique fermenting procedure according to the brand, but I can’t find any explanation online what made their fermentation unique. All the tobaccos used are aged minimum of five years, but that’s also not unique. The whole story reminds me of Puros de Hostos, a brand that was very popular for a short time in The Netherlands, with a story about quadruple fermentation, aged tobaccos and yes, those cigars were amazing but such marketing stories only last for a short time.


I am smoking the Habanito today, a petit corona, 4×38 short and thin. The habano rosado wrapper looks great, medium dark brown with a mild reddish glow and it feels a bit leathery. The construction feels good with a beautiful shaped head of the cigar. The ring is a bit of a “why copy a Cuban ring again?” kinda thing, its a straight up copy from the Ramon Allones ring, burgundy with gold, a golden logo in the centre and white letters. It’s something I dislike, stop copying Cuban rings, Nicaraguan cigars are way to good to need to resort to this kind of thievery. But since I’m not rating on sentiment but on how the ring looks, the color scheme, the print quality the ring still gets a good grade. I smell a mild aroma, an almost dusty wood with a little floral smell.


I cut the cigar since it’s too thin to punch. The cold draw is good with a mild raw tobacco flavor and a little pepper in the aftertaste. I lit the cigar with a soft flame. I taste a great coffee flavor, smooth yet full with a very mild honey sweetness and some pepper in the aftertaste. After a quarter of an inch I taste a nice oaky nutty flavor but with a nice minty and vanilla on the background. After a third I taste a nice mix of cumin, nutmeg, black pepper with some cedar. I also taste a little bit of cocoa. Soon after I taste a strong pepper with a minty freshness and some nutmeg. The final third starts spicy with notes of wood, spices, a little lime and some vanilla.


The draw is close to perfection and that leads to a lot of thick smoke from such a small cigar. The ash is almost white and nicely dense and firm. The burn is beautifully straight. The evolution is amazing. The cigar is medium bodied yet full flavored. The smoke time is fifty minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? Great short smoke, I would love to.

Score: 92
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Cubao Robusto

You know that the cigar you grabbed is old when the cellophane is almost golden because of the years of soaking up oils from the cigar. Add to it that the company behind the cigar was split up and both owners went their own way more than 5 years ago and you know you have a aged, maybe even vintage, cigar in your hands, and that’s what’s the case with this EO Brands Cubao Robusto.


Back in the day the cigar was made by Don Pepin Garcia and was from Erik Espinosa and Eddie Ortega, Ortega got the name in the split up and the cigar is now sold as Ortega Cubao with an almost identical ring, only change is the Espinosa & Ortega has changed to Ortega Cigar Co. The new cigars, I don’t know if the blend is still the same, is still made at My Father Cigars while Espinosa started his own factory, La Zona, and is one of the more reputable boutique brands.


As I said, the cigar comes in a yellow, almost golden, cellophane and when I release the cigar I see a reasonable dark, smooth and oily wrapper with a leathery feel to it. The construction feels a bit hard, but evenly hard with a beautiful triple cap and a flat head. The aroma is strong, wood and barnyard, that what comes to mind. The ring is simple, it reminds me a little of a Montecristo ring because of the brown ring with white letters but bigger. The ring says “Espinosa y Ortega” on top, “CUBAO” on the bottom and in the middle a white tobacco flower.


I punched the cigar, the cold draw is very good that tastes like raisin and black pepper. After I lit the cigar I taste a nice coffee flavor with the perfect amount of bitterness and a faint hint of cocoa. After a few puffs it’s coffee with chocolate butter, almost Nutella like. The second third starts with a mild chocolate butter flavor, with green leaves or fresh wood, and a little bit of cinnamon on the back of my throat. The cinnamon slowly grows stronger and is not just on the back of my throat anymore. The final third starts nutty with some chocolate sweetness and pepper.


The smoke is very thick and there is plenty. The burn is a bit off though. The draw is close to perfect. The ash is white and firm. The cigar is medium bodied and medium full flavored. The smoke time is little over an hour.

Would I buy this cigar again? Yes, especially the first third is great.

Score: 91
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San Lotano The Bull Robusto

I’ve always been a fan of A.J. Fernandez, from the day he emerged as master blender and manufacturer for a lot of the Maier & Dutch private labels, sold only through cigarsinternational and affiliated sites. I mean the Diesel Unholy Cocktail is one of my favorite cigars, I love most of the Man O Wars, Ave Maria’s etcetera and I’ve liked almost everything he made for himself too like the San Lotano lines, Last Call, New World and Enclave. But for some reason the San Lotano didn’t do much in The Netherlands. I guess that’s because we started with the weirdly shaped Oval line and that vitola didn’t went well with the Dutch public and tainted the San Lotano name for a lot of consumers.


San Lotano is an old Cuban brand that was owned by A.J. Fernandez grandfather but after the revolution th brand disappeared. Abdel brought it back with the San Lotano Oval, and later the round Maduro, Habano and Connecticut lines and a few years later this new The Bull, which is box pressed since that’s the best format for this specific blend according to Fernandez.  The cigar is made in Esteli with Nicaraguan filler and Binder and an Ecuadorean habano wrapper and comes in boxes of 10. I smoked the 5×54 robusto.


The cigar comes cedar wrapped and in cellophane. The cedar wrapping has the image of a bulls head printed on the wood. Once I remove that I see a dark and square pressed cigar, it looks like a mars bar, with one vein, which is also flattened. I see some mineral sparkles on the wrapper too and the cigar looks mighty tasty. And I immediately smell a quite strong aroma that is a mixture of a smoldering bonfire, cow dung and fresh pepper. The ring is of a thick paper, a black square with golden outlines, golden letters San Lotano and at the bottom a yellow and red banner with ‘by A.J. Fernandez’. Simple yet effective.


I punched the cigar and the cold draw is perfect, a little citrusy with some bitterness. I lit the cigar with my trusted vintage Ronson and taste espresso with some oak and a little sugar. A few puffs later I taste sweet and toasted oak flakes and some citrus. After an inch I taste black coffee, very dark chocolate and citrus. Halfway the cigar becomes less bitter, the bitterness was nice though, and a little more peppery. No more coffee but still oak with the bitterness of dark chocolate, a little sweetness, some pepper and citrus.


The white ash has some black smears and is firm. The smoke is thick and plentiful, just how I like it. The draw is flawless. The burn is good but not completely straight. This cigar is medium to full bodied, full flavored yet there isn’t a lot of evolution. The smoke time is little over and hour and a half.

Would I buy this cigar again? I stick to other AJ Fernandez cigars.

Score: 87

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My Father Le Bijou 1922 Boxpressed Torpedo

A few years ago My Father released the My Father Le Bijou 1922 series, it was the follow up to the regular My Father line, the line Jaime & Janny Garcia created to honor their father Jose ‘Don Pepin’ Garcia and he in his place honored his father with this Le Bijou 1922 blend. At that time I was working for the Dutch distributer of My Father Cigars and we added this line to our portfolio in several different vitolas, including the Box Pressed Torpedo.


Now for some reason the line didn’t sell, it is a great cigar but I guess time wasn’t right to compete with the Cubans in their price range I think because quality and flavor wise I would pick this Nicaraguan puro with the beautiful Pelo de Oro wrapper over any Cuban cigar any day but the sales numbers changed when Cigar Aficionado picked the Box Pressed Torpedo to be the #1 cigar of the year 2015. Since we stopped carrying the cigar we quickly had to order a few hundred boxes and even with a €13 price tag I wrote a record number just in pre-orders and the week they got in we received another shipment of highly awaited cigars too so it was a madhouse at the office, the boss was in Nicaragua on a business trip and I spend all week helping our warehouse staff to get all shipments out to break the company record with a landslide.


Once I release this 6 1/8 x 52 box pressed cigar from its cellophane packaging I smell a strong barnyard aroma. The construction feels good and the pointy tip of the cigar stands out, it looks more pointy than most torpedos I have seen. The dark wrapper looks leathery because of the tooth, the thin veins and the mild shine, you can see that the sun did its work. The rings are pretty, I like the fact that the bottom ring has a gap on top where the pointy bottom of the upper rings fits in. The bottom ring has a golden background with curly black letters saying Le Bijou 1922 while the bitter top ring has a pink white circle with the golden My Father logo, golden decorations and a pink banner underneath with golden letters. I don’t think these rings are printed by Vrijdag, their gold is a bit more shiny and of a higher quality but the rings are still beautiful.


I cut the cigar with a flat cut since punching is no option with a torpedo. The cold draw is great with a very peppery flavor, the famous Pepin twang from his old days is back. After lighting the cigar with a soft flame I taste coffee and leather with a very tiny bit of chocolate. After a centimeter i taste a meaty charred wood, which is nicer than it sounds with some spice and pepper. Slowly the flavors change to wood with a bit of metal and pepper. After a third the pepper gets stronger with a little wood as a base flavor. Halfway I had to cut the cigar a little more, i had cut it really small and that caused some tar build up. After cutting a little more I taste nuts, lime, wood and pepper, a very Nicaraguan flavor profile. The pepper gets stronger towards the two thirds and become the dominant flavor by far but I also taste a little nuts.


The draw is great. The smoke is reasonable thick and medium plus in amount. The burn is straight. The ash is white, dense and firm. This well balanced full bodied cigar is full flavored with a nice evolution. The smoke time is an hour and forty minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? I have over half a box left. It’s a great cigar but not my number 1

Score: 91
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Reel Grande Torpedo

Now this is a cigar that lives up to its name, it’s huge. And i’m not a fan of huge cigars. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind long cigars but I do mind thick cigars as 99 out of a 100 times it’s a waste of good tobacco and I never understood the appeal of the ‘big, bigger, biggest’ rat race that was going on in the land of cigars the last few years.


I don’t know much about this cigar, except that it was given to me a few years ago by a friend and that it’s made in Nicaragua by Plasencia. I don’t know if they released it themselves, if it was a private label and if so, for who it was made. I don’t know the filler, the binder nor the wrapper, all I know is that it was a budget cigar and that I had it in my humidor for a minimum of 8 years.


The Real Grande Torpedo is a 7×60 pyramid with a rough, thin, sun grown wrapper that feels dry. The shape is a little off, the cigar won’t stand up straight on a flat surface. The ring is decent though, burgundy with black, yellow and gold. It says it’s a limited edition.  The cigar has a mild smell that reminds me of a vanilla lemon cake.


Well, due to the vitola my only option is to cut. The cold draw is good, tasteless though. After lighting I taste a mild coffee, very mild. The flavor is unrefined and slightly harsh. After half an inch the cigar is harsh with a very musty cedar. Halfway I taste bitter wood with some floral sweetness.


The draw is fine. The dense ash it light gray. The smoke is thin and low in volume. The burn is decent. This medium bodied, medium flavored cigar has hardly any evolution. The smoke time is an hour and forty minutes.

Would I buy this cigar again? No. And why do cigar manufacturers release cigars like this with horrible tobacco? Where is your pride? What is your goal? Cigars like this will not sell and kill your reputation!

Score: 80

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